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Minutes of the Meeting of the French, British, German & American Groups at the Office of the Banque de l‛Indo-Chine, Paris, on 8th November, 1911, 8. November 1911

Protokoll

Regest:

Repräsentanten der französischen, britischen, deutschen und amerikanischen Banken, die in den Jahren zuvor für die chinesische Regierung umfangreiche Anleihen emittiert haben und sich inzwischen zu einem gemeinsamen Konsortium zusammengeschlossen haben, treffen sich am 8. November 1911 in Paris, um zu entscheiden, wie sie sich angesichts der revolutionären Ereignisse in China verhalten sollen. Die Lage erscheint sehr unübersichtlich, da nicht klar ist, ob es noch eine alte oder schon eine neue, ja überhaupt eine verantwortliche Regierung gibt. Im Hinblick auf die bereits begebenen Anleihen kommen die Vertreter der vier Bankengruppen überein, selbst dafür zu sorgen, dass ihre Anleger keine Ausfälle hinnehmen müssen, damit es nicht zu massiven Kurseinbrüchen an den Börsen kommt. Im Hinblick auf die Frage, wen man mit neuen Anleihen unterstützen soll, die Qing-Dynastie oder die Revolutionäre um Sun Yat-sen, beschließen sie, möglichst Neutralität zu wahren und vorerst keine Zahlungen für bereits getroffene Abkommen zu leisten, bevor klar ist, wer eine verantwortliche Regierung stellen wird. Den jeweils eigenen Vertretern der Banken in Peking soll mitgeteilt werden, dass man durchaus zu Verhandlungen mit einer verantwortlichen chinesischen Regierung über neue Anleihen bereit sei.

Minutes of Meeting

of the

French, British, German & American Groups

at the Office of the Banque de l‛Indo-Chine, Paris, on the

8th November, 1911.


Present:

Mr. S. Simon

Mr. E. Ullmann

Representing the French Group

Mr. C. S. Addis

Mr. E. G. Hillier

Representing the British Group

Mr. Franz Urbig

Representing the German Group

Mr. J. P. Morgan Jr.

Mr. E. C. Grenfell,

Mr. H. H. Harjes

Mr. Max Warburg

Dr. Carl Melchior

Representing the American Group

Mr. S. Simon in the Chair.


The Chairman opened the Meeting by briefly summarizing the present situation in China, and after telegrams received by the American Group from Pekin bad been read to the Meeting, as well as the telegrams which had passed between the British Group and their Pekin representative on the 4th and 7th November, he called upon Mr. E. G. Hillier to give the Conference bis opinion on the actual state of affairs in China.1

After a brief statement by Mr. Hillier and a general discussion of the situation and the proposal that the Groups should make the Chinese Government an advance of Taels 5,000,000, the following Resolution was proposed and accepted by the meeting:

1. Resolved that in view of the present uncertainty of the situation the Groups are not disposed at present to entertain application for financial assistance.

The subject of coupons falling due was discussed and there was no difference of opinion among the Groups that such coupons should be protected as far as possible and that all the Groups should arrange the matter in the same way. This way should be settled at a later meeting should such an emergency arise.

The position of China as regards its already existing obligations was then considered. Attention was drawn to the fact that it was difficult to ascertain if a responsible Government existed or not. It was therefore Resolved:

2. That the Groups are not disposed to entertain any application for the remittance of funds under the Hukuang Agreement until satisfied that there is a responsible Government in Pekin with whom to deal.2

It was further Resolved:

3. That the Groups will make no further advance or payments under the Currency Reform Loan Agreement until they are satisfied that there is a responsible government in China.3

4. That the Groups agree to call the attention of their respective Governments to the fact that Likin which has been given as guarantee for some of the Loans has been abolished by the action of the Rebels, and in this connection to direct their attention to Article IX of the Hukuang Imperial Loan Agreement of May 20th, 1911, providing that Likin shall not be abolished unless some other guarantee is substituted therefor.

5. It was lastly Resolved that the following cable should be sent to the Groups‛ representatives in Pekin: –

“Following from four Groups: – It is to be distinctly understood that we are not in any sense opposed to making loan to a responsible Chinese Government and will be prepared to enter upon negotiations as soon as our representatives in Pekin are able to assure us that they are satisfied as to this point. At the Conference of the four groups held to-day, the following Resolutions were passed: – (Here follows text of the above indicated Resolutions Nos. 1, 2 and 3.)

Nos. 2 and 3 are for your information only.”


For the French Group

ST. Simon.

E. Ullmann.

For the British Group

C. S. Addis.

E. G. Hillier.

For the German Group

Franz Urbig.

For the American Group

J. P. Morgan Jr.

E. C. Grenfell.

H. H. Harjes.

Max Warburg.

Carl Melchior.